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Post by Dragón on Nov 13, 2012 17:26:24 GMT -5
Un-fucking-believable....Coachslick for GMOTY ad infinitum. Edit: On second thought, just looked past your starting 5 and what you could possibly add in the way of bench players...your division rivals might not be as upset as you think they would be.
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Post by ucrenegades on Nov 13, 2012 18:22:27 GMT -5
Awesome everyone else upgrades with crap for better players and I try and my deal fails.
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Post by Dragón on Nov 13, 2012 18:26:41 GMT -5
This wasn't an upgrade for either team when you look at the details and how it affects both teams in the coming seasons.
Trade=fail...by both parties
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Post by ucrenegades on Nov 13, 2012 18:29:36 GMT -5
Wait till Kenton goes through tc and gets camped this is like saying I will trade you Barkley,dumars,and porter for Michael freakin Jordan no way is this trade even completely fair
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Post by ucrenegades on Nov 13, 2012 18:30:08 GMT -5
Sorry lebron nor kenton
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Post by Dragón on Nov 13, 2012 18:38:05 GMT -5
Agreed, no way should this trade be allowed, not as a proxy team anyway...it would be different if this was an active manager making his own decisions but it isn't. This is supposed to be a caretaker building a team for a future manager to take over.
The Magic could have had a great 18 yr old franchise player (with cap space to surround him with very good players) but traded for 3 very good sophomores that reduced that cap space.
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Post by Coachslick on Nov 13, 2012 18:48:49 GMT -5
Moved this here so it's not in the actual trade.
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Post by jayme96 on Nov 13, 2012 18:59:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't have done it either. Ginobli is already 26, and the other 2 aren't really all that productive. The Magic, as-is, have tons of cap space and could turn them into a decent team in FA and LeBron. I can see it from both sides. Obviously the one getting the player that is 18 and going to drop a stats-line of 30 ppg, 10 rpg, 5 apg, plus steals and blocks, is the one winning any trade here. I know in ITP when I was brand new & got the #1 pick and Larry Bird, who had similar rates (B+ to start, but after 1 camp they were A-), there was no way in hell I'd have traded him. In the 1+ season I ran him before the game crashed he was a monster and way better than the 3 being traded for him combined, especially when you figure that's only one guy to pay instead of 3.
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Post by costabear on Nov 13, 2012 19:02:35 GMT -5
This trade is fine. Would I have done it? Probably not. But they got more value back from Brooklyn than almost any other team could give them. Three lotto picks that have had roughly $2000 invested in them is a lot of value.
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Post by costabear on Nov 13, 2012 19:03:47 GMT -5
Brand, Ginobili, Artest, Haywood, Walker to go with oodles of cap space is a nicer core than most of the league has.
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Post by jayme96 on Nov 13, 2012 19:08:51 GMT -5
Yes but as is the case in RL, superstars are what wins. He traded a bunch of guys that aren't going to be stars, for the best player in the game. What's really funny, is he wouldn't have done Westphal and Drew, but he did that. Westphal and Drew together is way better than those 3. I wouldn't even trade Westphal OR Drew for that trio.
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Post by jayme96 on Nov 13, 2012 19:10:44 GMT -5
Oh, I should add, that superstars, with a supporting cast, is what wins. LeBron + Roundfield, Walker, Heywood, Robinson, and tons of cap space = a winning recipe if the GM knows how to add to it at all.
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Post by Dragón on Nov 13, 2012 19:12:56 GMT -5
This trade is fine. Would I have done it? Probably not. But they got more value back from Brooklyn than almost any other team could give them. Three lotto picks that have had roughly $2000 invested in them is a lot of value. Yup, you're right...he got more than he could have gotten from any other team...that doesn't mean it was fair nor the best move for the Magic. Just because I can trade a Ferrari for 3 Aston Martin's doesn't mean I'm going to win the race.
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Post by Dragón on Nov 13, 2012 19:14:53 GMT -5
Brand, Ginobili, Artest, Haywood, Walker to go with oodles of cap space is a nicer core than most of the league has. It has nothing to do with "nicer core than most of the league has" but has everything to do with the Magic's future. (sorry for the double post...not figured out how to multi-quote in this forum yet)
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Post by jayme96 on Nov 13, 2012 19:18:49 GMT -5
The other thing to look at, is if the proxy GM had that pick and it was his own team, would he have actually traded the #1 pick in THIS draft? No.
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