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Post by Coachslick on Jan 26, 2015 15:49:49 GMT -5
I think this makes a ton of sense, though I agree with Ryan. I'm not sure this will make a big change for most people. For the guys I drafted that are listed at multiple positions (Nate Williams and Cadillac Anderson), I will be able to have them play at the spots best suited to their skill sets right now. I might change Williams to SG, but that would be to see if his handle and perimeter defense improves during training camp next season. I don't think we will have many players that are listed on basketball reference as being able to play 2 different positions, yet still have the skills to play a 3rd. For example, Nate Williams is listed as a SG/SF, yet if I move him to SG, he doesn't have the skill set I would want in a point guard. I do have one question though, what if you acquire someone where the previous GM didn't review this, and you would like to make a change to that player? Could this possibly be something that could be opened up every year during the preseason? I don't want to make this a hassle for you, and I'm not saying I think we should do this, I'm just trying to throw out some ideas for situations that may not have been thought about.PHENOMENAL question! Let me marinate on this, but my first thought would be that I would make a list in the Camp Tracker thread and if a player is moved I will put them on that list. Then moving forward every pre season I could open to position changes with three requirements: 1- Must have been drafted in 1975 dispersal draft 2- Must not be owned by the GM who drafted him 2- Must not have been previously moved by another owner This way, if I don't move Otto Moore to C, I can't hold that position change "in waiting" for a year where I get a stud PF and decide ok NOW Moore to C. It's a loose example, but essentially I want you to move someone now if he's on your team or never again. But I see where a new GM might want to utilize the player in a different way. I also don't want a player moving back and forth AND I don't want upcoming classes to have position changes because I will personally be making the classes and (conceivably) I should be able to make sure this mistake is not repeated. Again, let me think on it. Literally the first thing I thought of here at work LOL
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Post by gritter13 on Jan 26, 2015 16:16:25 GMT -5
Those ideas sound great! Again, I'm not sure this is necessary, but I wanted to throw this out there. I do not want it to become a hassle or make it more work for you, so I'm ok with saying this is the only time this can be done.
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Post by don1955 on Jan 26, 2015 17:04:50 GMT -5
Posted as a reminder in case anyone has forgotten or missed it: C- can only play C/PF starting, C/PF/SF on bench PF- can only play C/PF/SF starting, C/PF/SF or PF/SF/SG on bench SF- can only play PF/SF/SG starting, C/PF/SF, PF/SF/SG or SF/SG/PG on bench SG- can only play SF/SG/PG starting, PF/SF/SG or SF/SG/PG (on bench) PG- can only play PG/SG starting, PG/SG/SF on bench ibahoops.proboards.com/thread/7995/iba-2well some how i missed this...just glad i can see it now as i drafted 3 sf's as was planning on starting one at sg, one at sf, an one as a back up...good to see that i can still do that...thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 17:47:25 GMT -5
Lionel Hollins is listed as Point Guard & Shooting Guard. I'd like him as a SG.
Mike Flynn as well.
Thanks!
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Post by smirt211 on Jan 26, 2015 18:05:02 GMT -5
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Post by don1955 on Jan 26, 2015 18:35:01 GMT -5
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Post by Coachslick on Jan 26, 2015 18:41:15 GMT -5
So far, only Don has properly listed a position change. Hit me up with a link to the player page(s) when you post the position changes so I can verify it without the extra step of searching for it on the website. Just one less step for me!
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Post by Sguffee on Jan 26, 2015 19:08:47 GMT -5
Do you think this might have impacted some owners on who they drafted and how they valued them in relation to the positions they can play? You could possibly run the risk of altering someones draft board by opening this up now when we drafted for 5.5 rounds based on the assumption of the rules that were first laid out.
In the example of Jordan's handles that I questioned you mentioned that you asked for input on the draft class and received very little feedback and were not going to go back and change anything on the numbers like his handles that were out of line after the fact. Changing positions isn't exactly the same thing but it could change a players perceived value I think.
I'm not saying I'm totally against it just something to consider.
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Post by Coachslick on Jan 26, 2015 22:31:47 GMT -5
Do you think this might have impacted some owners on who they drafted and how they valued them in relation to the positions they can play? You could possibly run the risk of altering someones draft board by opening this up now when we drafted for 5.5 rounds based on the assumption of the rules that were first laid out. In the example of Jordan's handles that I questioned you mentioned that you asked for input on the draft class and received very little feedback and were not going to go back and change anything on the numbers like his handles that were out of line after the fact. Changing positions isn't exactly the same thing but it could change a players perceived value I think. I'm not saying I'm totally against it just something to consider. This is a concern of mine for sure. I personally draft based on numbers, not so much the position. I did allow for variation at where you could start a player so that, while drafting, you would know you could play a SF at SG etc. I don't think there's an instance where someone like Roundfield was listed at SG but was a PF. That's the only real case where I think there's a huge issue insofar as what a person drafted. SG to SF, PF to SF, C to PF etc I don't think is a huge deal, a one position variance in change. But if the league thinks this is a big change in draft strategy I want to know! Thanks for asking the questions Sguffee!
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Post by pistolpetejr on Jan 26, 2015 23:33:37 GMT -5
Slick, I think you ought to ask a few GMs to look at the players league wide and give feedback on numbers via group PM. You handpick em and see if they're interested/have time, then for the 4-5 of them that you've picked, have em scan through 70-80 players, make a list, and share it on the group PM, for the other GMs to okay or veto.
Just make sure that those GMs don't list every little thing they think needs changing. Only relevant things.
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Post by Coachslick on Jan 27, 2015 6:32:05 GMT -5
Slick, I think you ought to ask a few GMs to look at the players league wide and give feedback on numbers via group PM. You handpick em and see if they're interested/have time, then for the 4-5 of them that you've picked, have em scan through 70-80 players, make a list, and share it on the group PM, for the other GMs to okay or veto. Just make sure that those GMs don't list every little thing they think needs changing. Only relevant things. I think you've missed what's happening here. I'm not changing anyone's numbers. No difference in the ratings of players whatsoever. Your suggestion is a good one. That's why I did have a PM thread before I even announced 2.0. That thread consisted of the admins. But the issue is everyone is busy, works, has lives. So I didn't get much feedback. And I thought to myself the issue is I need a LOT of people checking out the class instead of unfairly dumping this on the admins. So I posted the numbers and asked for the next two days to get you guys to send me ideas on how to change numbers. I got three responses and attempted to incorporate them all. But we aren't changing numbers. That ship has sailed and indeed I would side with guffee that changing numbers would unfairly tip the balance in the game. Guffee's point was that even a simple cosmetic change to position, height and weight might effect those 6 players we have already drafted and ruin a GMs drafting scheme. I just have to be clear an reiterate what I posted originally: NO NUMBERS ARE CHANGING. Strictly cosmetic position changes.
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Post by Coachslick on Jan 27, 2015 8:41:59 GMT -5
placing this here for my own reference
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Post by FrankHaith11 on Jan 27, 2015 11:31:11 GMT -5
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